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chi sao
May 21, 2007 14:00:10 GMT -5
Post by aburgos on May 21, 2007 14:00:10 GMT -5
Hi All, Chi Sao is a great training tool to further your development. Besides aquiring sensitivity, balance, etc. It offers a live opponent to learn how the human body moves and put into practice the drills you worked on. (This of course is an exercise and not to be gaged as combat) As far as trapping is concerned, I beleive it is a matter of opportunity, skills and circumstances. The key is not to think of trapping (empty your cup) in an encounter as it will hinder you from capitalizing on opportunities. Trapping is a great tool to have in your arsenal, but it has it's time and place. Bruce Lee was extremely talented and he could make almost anything work for him, but what about the less "fortunate"? My question on this is: Is trapping (or any other technique) a viable solution when your system experiences the adrenalin dump and all fine motor skills are shut down?
Cheers.
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chi sao
Jun 13, 2007 11:37:42 GMT -5
Post by arieljkd on Jun 13, 2007 11:37:42 GMT -5
Hi guys, My name is Ariel and I'm in JKD instructor under Sifu Albert Grajales in PR, which is an JKD sifu under Sifu Ted Wong.
I'm only giving my opinion, I could be wrong but it's still my opinion! I practice martial arts for over 15 years, my first martial art was Shotokan Karate. I think that if I was Bruce, and I felt I want to take Martial arts to another level, like Bruce did, I think I would begin using Shotokan as my basis. Why Shotokan? because it was what I was tought first. So I would begin working from here. What I want to say is that Bruce probably began using Wing Chung because basically it was his first art. So I think it'll be logical to begin here.
As for why eliminate Wing Chung? Because it is not Wing Chung. I compare it to when a five year old child is learning to ride a bicycle, and their parents use the little side wheels untill the child learns to have balance and then eliminate the side wheels. It is called bicycle because it has two wheels (bi) (cycle). What I'm trying to say is that Bruce probably used Wing Chung as a base for his life investigation (Martial Arts)
I also agree with Original JKD, Bruce didn't eliminate Wing Chung from JKD, he just evolved.
About Chi Sao, I think this is something that has to be tought because it opens up your sences. I don't Chi Sao is useful in a true fight, but it can help you in a fight. By helping you open your senses it helps you react better in a close contact fight.
I also think that if Bruce Lee was so fast at the end of his time, that he decided to eliminate trapping than this would make me think that he would of eliminated paries and probably deflecting because he was so fast that he didn't need it.
Anyways it was a pleasure giving my opinion! Best regards to everyone!!!! REMEMBER THIS WAS MY OPINION!!!!
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chi sao
Jun 13, 2007 12:31:26 GMT -5
Post by lssanjose on Jun 13, 2007 12:31:26 GMT -5
1. If you're doing JKD, then why are you trapping?
2. All kidding aside, if we do happen to trap, it would resemble something very different from Wing Chun or Jun Fan. It just doesn't make sense how you would go from something very mobile to something very rooted and static. Remember, JKD is dynamic, it's supposed to be.
3. Chi Sao is based on an entirely different structure, disallowing it to fit the JKD paradigm of shifty blasting and in fighting, to borrow something from the Tao.
4. In latter day JKD, four corners lost its place within it. It teaches you to be in the wrong range. All the trapping mechanics these days, resemble more aggressive parries than anything else. Thus, keeping one with the mindset of JKD to be mobile and not a sitting duck, which doing the aforementioned and the classical trapping allows one to be.
5. I would say though, reference point trapping if done right has more of a place in JKD than chi sao because you can work of points of reference in all of your stances.
6. Furthermore, more classical things like simultaneous attack and defense lost their place in JKD too due to the issue of power commitment in one's attack, cutting the power commit in half as opposed to 100/100.
That's as far as I'll speak on the matter. It's not that either of these are bad, it's just that they don't fit the delivery platform of JKD.
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chi sao
Jun 15, 2007 11:09:36 GMT -5
Post by aburgos on Jun 15, 2007 11:09:36 GMT -5
Hi Ariel, I couldn't agree with you more on Chi Sao. Many fail to see that it is just an exercise and not a way of fighting. It will help you in a fight indirectly (in-fighting) by means of heightened sensitivity, but of course no guarantees. One has to acquire other attributes to deal with the real thing. Most fights if not all happen at close range. [As a side note: If you have distance and didn’t take the opportunity to leave; you will find yourself explaining to the authorities why you did not run, thus making you part of the problem.] If you look at sparring events the "combatants" are at a distance trying to decipher an entry point. In real mayhem the thing you will notice is that it is like two rams in the mating season. It's head on, in your face type of attack. No dancing around, no sizing up, just brutality. It’s usually over in about 5 seconds, unless grappling mode. Personally, I believe Bruce Lee was one of a kind and could make almost anything work for him. For the less gifted, one has to find ways that suit your body type, physical limits, age, etc. Also focus is of utmost importance. Self defense vs. sports oriented. Looking good vs. being effective.
My two cents. Take care
Andres
P.S
I had the pleasure of meeting Sifu Albert Grajales in PR. He is a great man with an inexhaustible wealth of knowledge.
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chi sao
Dec 1, 2007 20:59:34 GMT -5
Post by seto on Dec 1, 2007 20:59:34 GMT -5
Chi Sao is just an excercise that helps develop sensitivity to the your hands and arms. This equates to a reflex response to a particular stimulus without having you think. With that said, Chi Sao is definitely not a way to fight but a good way to enhance your ability to do so in the clinch range. So when opportunity arise through any particular cohesion or obstruction, you can flow and hit (like water) while your opponent is trying to think before he moves. Being a Jeet Kune Do practitioner, I saw value but not essential need to train sticky hands. Nevertheless, I trained it as it was a big part of what Jerry Poteet did when I was training under him. No regrets from what I've learned. As for today, I do not promote this exercise as a need but introduce and share what I have learned and refine from it.
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Post by Victor Colón on Dec 4, 2007 9:15:17 GMT -5
Mr. Seto brings a wealth of knowledge and diverse martial experience to the forum. We are lucky to have him here; his input is valued and very much appreciated. I would encourage the forum to take advantage of his presence, ask questions, share, and continue to grow as we constantly refine.
Best regards,
Victor
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